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		<title>By: Matt Thomas</title>
		<link>http://submittedforyourperusal.com/2010/02/16/books-vs-e-books/#comment-1880</link>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 10 Sep 2011 22:07:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[See, I love the smell of decaying paper.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>See, I love the smell of decaying paper.</p>
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		<title>By: Francisco Wilhelm</title>
		<link>http://submittedforyourperusal.com/2010/02/16/books-vs-e-books/#comment-1879</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Francisco Wilhelm]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 10 Sep 2011 20:51:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&quot;With traditional books, you just have to buy the book, which won’t be obsolesced as quickly, if ever.&quot; This hasn&#039;t actually come to my mind yet, but it&#039;s a good point for calculating the financial benefits. Kindle&#039;s Book-On-Demand whatsoever approach will at least provide you with updated versions of eBooks for newer devices and save you the time you&#039;d need to convert an eBook to a new format (.mobi surely isn&#039;t the end of the line). Real books won&#039;t outdate, although they will get all yellowish and start smelling funeral-gothic like.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;With traditional books, you just have to buy the book, which won’t be obsolesced as quickly, if ever.&#8221; This hasn&#8217;t actually come to my mind yet, but it&#8217;s a good point for calculating the financial benefits. Kindle&#8217;s Book-On-Demand whatsoever approach will at least provide you with updated versions of eBooks for newer devices and save you the time you&#8217;d need to convert an eBook to a new format (.mobi surely isn&#8217;t the end of the line). Real books won&#8217;t outdate, although they will get all yellowish and start smelling funeral-gothic like.</p>
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		<title>By: Matt Thomas</title>
		<link>http://submittedforyourperusal.com/2010/02/16/books-vs-e-books/#comment-1877</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Matt Thomas]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 08 Sep 2011 00:01:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Hi Francisco, thanks for your comment. Let me try to address your criticisms.

First, I read different things differently. That sounds obvious but I actually think it&#039;s really profound. Many of my students, for instance, don&#039;t get that reading a textbook is different than reading a novel. They just think there&#039;s reading. I&#039;m all for what you dub a &quot;dynamical approach,&quot; but skimming an entire book or chapter before diving in can be a good way of figuring out what your general orientation to the text should be. Think about when you&#039;re trying to decide whether to buy a book. Do you skim it? Or let&#039;s say you&#039;re trying to decide between two books to read before bed or on an airplane and you don&#039;t want something too taxing. You may quickly skim them to determine which would make for lighter reading. When I flip through a magazine or newspaper, I don&#039;t read every article as it&#039;s presented to me, but rather I read headlines, scan opening paragraphs, plow through shorter articles, note longer, more serious pieces I want to return to later, and so on. Skimming can help you determine if and then how you want to read something.

Second, my “Ebook readers are bourgeois devices” line was meant to be somewhat polemical, but I think it&#039;s still more or less true, even though e-readers have gotten cheaper. I have a Kindle, yes, so I&#039;m familiar with its e-ink display, but eventually it will break and/or be rendered obsolete (in a consumer technology sense) by some newer device. To read an ebook, you first have to buy a $100+ device, then you have to buy a digital copy of the book. With traditional books, you just have to buy the book, which won&#039;t be obsolesced as quickly, if ever.

I concede that you have a point about portability. Just as it&#039;s amazing to be able to bring my entire music library (or at least most of it) with me whenever I leave the house, there&#039;s something thrilling about traveling with a Kindle stuffed with ebooks. I guess the point I was trying to make here is that books – particularly individual books, particularly small paperbacks – are more portable than people sometimes give them credit for, and don&#039;t require special protective cases (unless you count dust jackets, which are usually included with the price of the book) and power chords. I can slip a paperback in my back pocket. I can&#039;t yet fit my Kindle, in its case, with its power chord in my back pocket.

Anyway, thanks for reading and commenting. Your points have forced me to think harder about this.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Francisco, thanks for your comment. Let me try to address your criticisms.</p>
<p>First, I read different things differently. That sounds obvious but I actually think it&#8217;s really profound. Many of my students, for instance, don&#8217;t get that reading a textbook is different than reading a novel. They just think there&#8217;s reading. I&#8217;m all for what you dub a &#8220;dynamical approach,&#8221; but skimming an entire book or chapter before diving in can be a good way of figuring out what your general orientation to the text should be. Think about when you&#8217;re trying to decide whether to buy a book. Do you skim it? Or let&#8217;s say you&#8217;re trying to decide between two books to read before bed or on an airplane and you don&#8217;t want something too taxing. You may quickly skim them to determine which would make for lighter reading. When I flip through a magazine or newspaper, I don&#8217;t read every article as it&#8217;s presented to me, but rather I read headlines, scan opening paragraphs, plow through shorter articles, note longer, more serious pieces I want to return to later, and so on. Skimming can help you determine if and then how you want to read something.</p>
<p>Second, my “Ebook readers are bourgeois devices” line was meant to be somewhat polemical, but I think it&#8217;s still more or less true, even though e-readers have gotten cheaper. I have a Kindle, yes, so I&#8217;m familiar with its e-ink display, but eventually it will break and/or be rendered obsolete (in a consumer technology sense) by some newer device. To read an ebook, you first have to buy a $100+ device, then you have to buy a digital copy of the book. With traditional books, you just have to buy the book, which won&#8217;t be obsolesced as quickly, if ever.</p>
<p>I concede that you have a point about portability. Just as it&#8217;s amazing to be able to bring my entire music library (or at least most of it) with me whenever I leave the house, there&#8217;s something thrilling about traveling with a Kindle stuffed with ebooks. I guess the point I was trying to make here is that books – particularly individual books, particularly small paperbacks – are more portable than people sometimes give them credit for, and don&#8217;t require special protective cases (unless you count dust jackets, which are usually included with the price of the book) and power chords. I can slip a paperback in my back pocket. I can&#8217;t yet fit my Kindle, in its case, with its power chord in my back pocket.</p>
<p>Anyway, thanks for reading and commenting. Your points have forced me to think harder about this.</p>
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		<title>By: Francisco Wilhelm</title>
		<link>http://submittedforyourperusal.com/2010/02/16/books-vs-e-books/#comment-1875</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Francisco Wilhelm]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 07 Sep 2011 22:56:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&quot;In theory, you can read e-books at your own pace as well, but I wonder if the fact that electronic texts are hard to skim also makes it hard to take them in at different speeds. After all, if you can’t skim an e-book first, how do you know what to linger over and what to skip?&quot;

I don&#039;t quite get that point. What is your reading style? Do you first skim through the upcoming chapter and then decide whether you are going to read it fast or slow? I adjust in a dynamical approach: When I don&#039;t get things, I slow down. If topics are known to me I skim through them.

&quot;E-book readers are bourgeois devices.&quot;
139 or what $ for a Kindle isn&#039;t really &quot;bourgeois&quot; to me. The iPad you&#039;ve been referring sucks as an eBook-reader, it doesn&#039;t feature an eInk display (have you seen one yet? I&#039;m still amazed at this technique).

Concerning portability: I think that this is a major plus for eBooks. I usually read more than one book at once, and I don&#039;t always know what I&#039;m going to read when on the road. Also, the battery life is amazing! You can read like 750 pages with one charge. That should be enough to get back to civilization.

Other than that IMO eBook readers are ill-suited for most academic concerns atm, since you can&#039;t skim, annotations are rather silly and you can&#039;t have two books open at the same time (unless you own 2 reader devices, but that&#039;s costly).]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;In theory, you can read e-books at your own pace as well, but I wonder if the fact that electronic texts are hard to skim also makes it hard to take them in at different speeds. After all, if you can’t skim an e-book first, how do you know what to linger over and what to skip?&#8221;</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t quite get that point. What is your reading style? Do you first skim through the upcoming chapter and then decide whether you are going to read it fast or slow? I adjust in a dynamical approach: When I don&#8217;t get things, I slow down. If topics are known to me I skim through them.</p>
<p>&#8220;E-book readers are bourgeois devices.&#8221;<br />
139 or what $ for a Kindle isn&#8217;t really &#8220;bourgeois&#8221; to me. The iPad you&#8217;ve been referring sucks as an eBook-reader, it doesn&#8217;t feature an eInk display (have you seen one yet? I&#8217;m still amazed at this technique).</p>
<p>Concerning portability: I think that this is a major plus for eBooks. I usually read more than one book at once, and I don&#8217;t always know what I&#8217;m going to read when on the road. Also, the battery life is amazing! You can read like 750 pages with one charge. That should be enough to get back to civilization.</p>
<p>Other than that IMO eBook readers are ill-suited for most academic concerns atm, since you can&#8217;t skim, annotations are rather silly and you can&#8217;t have two books open at the same time (unless you own 2 reader devices, but that&#8217;s costly).</p>
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		<title>By: Carla Casilli</title>
		<link>http://submittedforyourperusal.com/2010/02/16/books-vs-e-books/#comment-1102</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Carla Casilli]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 04 Jul 2010 05:40:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Matt, 
You and I will both be set when the Twilight Zone-like apocalypse comes. (Might I also say that the picture atop your post looks like a little slice of heaven to me.) There are some excellent points in your post: the trifecta seems hard to beat. And when it comes to thinking about books, Gabriel Zaid sounds like my kind of people. Still, I can&#039;t help but wonder if we are members of a once great tribe doomed to disappear into oblivion except for the occasional reverential tale of scholars who lived in a time when poems were not only read but memorized, when paper was made from the pulp of trees, and when searching a text involved accessing your memory of it. 

In the meantime, I&#039;m happy to snatch up old paper books in order to build my own impressive library. As Borges wrote, &quot;I have always imagined that Paradise will be a kind of library.&quot; To that I say, Amen.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Matt,<br />
You and I will both be set when the Twilight Zone-like apocalypse comes. (Might I also say that the picture atop your post looks like a little slice of heaven to me.) There are some excellent points in your post: the trifecta seems hard to beat. And when it comes to thinking about books, Gabriel Zaid sounds like my kind of people. Still, I can&#8217;t help but wonder if we are members of a once great tribe doomed to disappear into oblivion except for the occasional reverential tale of scholars who lived in a time when poems were not only read but memorized, when paper was made from the pulp of trees, and when searching a text involved accessing your memory of it. </p>
<p>In the meantime, I&#8217;m happy to snatch up old paper books in order to build my own impressive library. As Borges wrote, &#8220;I have always imagined that Paradise will be a kind of library.&#8221; To that I say, Amen.</p>
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		<title>By: Long Live Analog &#171; Submitted For Your Perusal</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Long Live Analog &#171; Submitted For Your Perusal]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 22 Jun 2010 19:34:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Remember Reading on Paper? &#171; Submitted For Your Perusal</title>
		<link>http://submittedforyourperusal.com/2010/02/16/books-vs-e-books/#comment-918</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Remember Reading on Paper? &#171; Submitted For Your Perusal]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 06 Apr 2010 18:14:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Matt Thomas</title>
		<link>http://submittedforyourperusal.com/2010/02/16/books-vs-e-books/#comment-873</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Matt Thomas]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 20 Feb 2010 17:44:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Thanks for the link, Erin. The commenter makes a good point. But large print books exist, as do reading glasses, so it&#039;s not like books are totally unaccommodating. Moreover, type on paper is easier to read than type on screens, generally speaking, though technologies such as &lt;a href=&quot;http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/E_Ink&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;E Ink&lt;/a&gt; are helping to close this gap.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for the link, Erin. The commenter makes a good point. But large print books exist, as do reading glasses, so it&#8217;s not like books are totally unaccommodating. Moreover, type on paper is easier to read than type on screens, generally speaking, though technologies such as <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/E_Ink" rel="nofollow">E Ink</a> are helping to close this gap.</p>
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		<title>By: Erin Templeton</title>
		<link>http://submittedforyourperusal.com/2010/02/16/books-vs-e-books/#comment-872</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Erin Templeton]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 20 Feb 2010 17:27:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I have a post on kindles in the classroom over at ProfHacker (http://bit.ly/c2gD9I) and one of the commenters made an interesting point about the ways that using a kindle can help those people who need large print to be able to read (or read comfortably).  I love being able to change font size on the kindle, and I would not give up the -ink reader for a back-lit screen to save my life.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have a post on kindles in the classroom over at ProfHacker (<a href="http://bit.ly/c2gD9I" rel="nofollow">http://bit.ly/c2gD9I</a>) and one of the commenters made an interesting point about the ways that using a kindle can help those people who need large print to be able to read (or read comfortably).  I love being able to change font size on the kindle, and I would not give up the -ink reader for a back-lit screen to save my life.</p>
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		<title>By: Tim Cavanaugh</title>
		<link>http://submittedforyourperusal.com/2010/02/16/books-vs-e-books/#comment-869</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Tim Cavanaugh]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 20 Feb 2010 17:06:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Thanks for your comments over at Reason, Matt. I corrected the post to make it clear that another part of your post does get into the issue of electricity.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for your comments over at Reason, Matt. I corrected the post to make it clear that another part of your post does get into the issue of electricity.</p>
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		<title>By: Books: Still a Load of Crap - Hit &#38; Run : Reason Magazine</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Books: Still a Load of Crap - Hit &#38; Run : Reason Magazine]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 19 Feb 2010 22:49:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[[...] will the physical book endure at all? Matt Thomas makes the case for good ol&#039; paper and ink, in the process finding a way to work a moreover and an [...]]]></description>
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		<title>By: Guillaume Allardice</title>
		<link>http://submittedforyourperusal.com/2010/02/16/books-vs-e-books/#comment-867</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Guillaume Allardice]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 17 Feb 2010 02:37:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Another thought is that a well-stocked shelf of books in the living room can be a great way to tell people who you are, where your interests lie, etc. No one would go up to the Kindle on your shelf and browse through your titles.
I use an iPod Touch for ebooks and love it. If I read a book that I particularly like, then I will get the hard copy, to be re-read and shown off (Unfortunately this can get expensive for anything other than PD books, the way ebooks are currently priced).]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Another thought is that a well-stocked shelf of books in the living room can be a great way to tell people who you are, where your interests lie, etc. No one would go up to the Kindle on your shelf and browse through your titles.<br />
I use an iPod Touch for ebooks and love it. If I read a book that I particularly like, then I will get the hard copy, to be re-read and shown off (Unfortunately this can get expensive for anything other than PD books, the way ebooks are currently priced).</p>
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		<title>By: Matt Thomas</title>
		<link>http://submittedforyourperusal.com/2010/02/16/books-vs-e-books/#comment-866</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Matt Thomas]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 16 Feb 2010 19:51:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[So what you’re suggesting, Carlo, is that e-book devices like the Kindle might actually be more of a threat to personal computers than to books?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>So what you’re suggesting, Carlo, is that e-book devices like the Kindle might actually be more of a threat to personal computers than to books?</p>
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		<title>By: Carlo</title>
		<link>http://submittedforyourperusal.com/2010/02/16/books-vs-e-books/#comment-865</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Carlo]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 16 Feb 2010 14:32:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Good thought-provoking post here. 

To me, though, this is really asking the wrong question -- the whole &quot;books vs ebooks&quot; thing is really skirting around a more important (to me) development. 

On the whole, very few (relatively speaking) people read books. The people who do read books aren&#039;t going to stop reading books, for all the reasons listed in your post. People may supplement book reading with e-reading, and if the Kindle, et al, gets more people reading in general, than it&#039;s a net benefit to society. 

But, having had a Kindle now for a few weeks, the real value here is the e-ink and the screen -- the Kindle is a way better thing to read from than a computer screen.

So the real question in my mind is ebook technology versus a computer for *reading web content*. 

And that&#039;s where the Kindle really shines, and that&#039;s one area not listed in the reasons above that a book can never replace -- web content. And there&#039;s a ton of really good web content out there. 

Your post, in fact, linked to a whole bunch of good stuff, and I can get all of it on my Kindle and read it there.

That&#039;s where I&#039;ve found real value -- using instapaper and calibre with my Kindle to make web content much more readable and portable.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Good thought-provoking post here. </p>
<p>To me, though, this is really asking the wrong question &#8212; the whole &#8220;books vs ebooks&#8221; thing is really skirting around a more important (to me) development. </p>
<p>On the whole, very few (relatively speaking) people read books. The people who do read books aren&#8217;t going to stop reading books, for all the reasons listed in your post. People may supplement book reading with e-reading, and if the Kindle, et al, gets more people reading in general, than it&#8217;s a net benefit to society. </p>
<p>But, having had a Kindle now for a few weeks, the real value here is the e-ink and the screen &#8212; the Kindle is a way better thing to read from than a computer screen.</p>
<p>So the real question in my mind is ebook technology versus a computer for *reading web content*. </p>
<p>And that&#8217;s where the Kindle really shines, and that&#8217;s one area not listed in the reasons above that a book can never replace &#8212; web content. And there&#8217;s a ton of really good web content out there. </p>
<p>Your post, in fact, linked to a whole bunch of good stuff, and I can get all of it on my Kindle and read it there.</p>
<p>That&#8217;s where I&#8217;ve found real value &#8212; using instapaper and calibre with my Kindle to make web content much more readable and portable.</p>
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